To live humanly, sanely, one has to change

by rafi dawn, Monday, May 26, 2014, 18:59 (1218 days ago)

To live humanly, sanely, one has to change

We need tremendous energy to bring about a psychological change in ourselves as human beings, because we have lived far too long in a world of make-belief, in a world of brutality, violence, despair, anxiety. To live humanly, sanely, one has to change. To bring about a change within oneself and therefore within society, one needs this radical energy, for the individual is not different from society - the society is the individual and the individual is the society. And to bring about a necessary radical, essential change in the structure of society - which is corrupt, which is immoral - there must be change in the human heart and mind. To bring about that change you need great energy and that energy is denied or perverted, or twisted, when you act according to a concept; which is what we do in our daily life. The concept is based on past history, or on some conclusion, so it is not action at all, it is an approximation to a formula. So one asks if there is an action which is not based on an idea, on a conclusion formed by dead things which have been.

J. Krishnamurti

To live humanly, sanely, one has to change

by Cookie, Monday, May 26, 2014, 22:43 (1217 days ago) @ rafi dawn

It sounds a bit like 'begin with yourself" as all our politicians tell us too.
Even if that is very true.
It's in a way also kinda 'hippie or hare nonsense' if all the good work' we try to do, the poistive vibes we spread, that change we make in ourselves for the better, is simply trampled and killed-censored-denied-forbidden-opressed by a legion of fascists, businessmen, politicians, working/middle/upper class idiots.
The 'good' (or even true hapiness) can only really grow when it got fresh air, water, love and freedom.

I am also not any part of society because I live on this planet. I am part of it because I am forced more then this comes natural. To me there is no society that I am part of really, I feel more that I am just alive on this planet, indeed together with others- but part of it is a big thing when you are mostly not even welcome to participate in anything but commercial crap and nonsense to keep the people busy.
You can be peaceful in the mind all you want, but Im not going to be kicked around. You can have the greatest love for life or the best Karma of the world, it will dissapear soon as some nazi scum starts bating you up for the color of the skin or the way you dress. Then I always get pissed very much and in one second..ooops there goes my good intentions in keepin the peace. Not even my fault.
Maybe we should first change the system, then ourselves!;-)
I feel the other way around is hopeless as well in the current a situation we live in.

To live humanly, sanely, one has to change

by rafi dawn, Wednesday, May 28, 2014, 16:42 (1216 days ago) @ Cookie

i like your answer - check out on FB : The psychological side of the REVOLUTION - no time right now - but my posts there is most of the time on the same issue

cheers

To live humanly, sanely, one has to change

by rafi dawn, Thursday, May 29, 2014, 10:15 (1215 days ago) @ Cookie

Transmitting Compassion
If I am concerned with compassion, with love, with the real feeling of something sacred, then how is that feeling to be transmitted? Please follow this. If I transmit it through the microphone, through the machinery of propaganda, and thereby convince another, his heart will still be empty. The flame of ideology will operate, and he will merely repeat, as you are all repeating, that we must be kind, good, free -all the nonsense that the politicians, the socialists, and the rest of them talk. So, seeing that any form of compulsion, however subtle, does not bring this beauty, this flowering of goodness, of compassion, what is the individual to do?
What is the relationship between the man who has this sense of compassion, and the man whose mind is entrenched in the collective, in the traditional? How are we to find the relationship between these two, not theoretically, but actually?
That which conforms can never flower in goodness. There must be freedom, and freedom comes only when you understand the whole problem of envy, greed, ambition, and the desire for power. It is freedom from those things that allows the extraordinary thing called character to flower. Such a man has compassion, he knows what it is to love -not the man who merely repeats a lot of words about morality.
So the flowering of goodness does not lie within society, because society in itself is always corrupt. Only the man who understands the whole structure and process of society, and is freeing himself from it, has character, and he alone can flower in goodness.

J. Krishnamurti, The Book of Life

To live humanly, sanely, one has to change

by rafi dawn, Thursday, May 29, 2014, 11:54 (1215 days ago) @ Cookie

No leader is going to give us peace

To bring about peace in the world, to stop all wars, there must be a revolution in the individual, in you and me. Economic revolution without this inward revolution is meaningless, for hunger is the result of the maladjustment of economic conditions produced by our psychological states: greed, envy, ill-will, and possessiveness. To put an end to sorrow, to hunger, to war, there must be a psychological revolution, and few of us are willing to face that. We will discuss peace, plan legislation, create new leagues, the United Nations and so on and on; but we will not win peace because we will not give up our position, our authority, our money, our properties, our stupid lives. To rely on others is utterly futile: others cannot bring us peace. No leader is going to give us peace, no government, no army, no country. What will bring peace is inward transformation which will lead to outward action. Inward transformation is not isolation, is not a withdrawal from outward action. On the contrary, there can be right action only when there is right thinking, and there is no right thinking when there is no self-knowledge. Without knowing yourself, there is no peace.

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